i have to make that assumption myself of what may have been mint. and in doing so, risk both the board not being happy with my decision because it may not be the same interpretation that they have, but also possibly risking that legal liability for myself. it's acting without the guidance and direction of the can i just ask you quickly big picture before we go, which is did it feel like your job as just somebody who was mr. run the library to make sure kids can go and read it was being politicized >> absolutely. and that's unfortunately happening at libraries all over the state and all over the nation. is it's turned in to this politicisation of libraries. >> andrew foster, it's an important story. thank you for joining us tonight. >> i should note before we go, we did reach >> out to members of the libraries board of trustees before we spoke to andrew, will reach out to them again. i want to thank you so much for

joining us. seeing a news night with abby. phillip starts now how >> monopoly explains donald trump's legal and financial peril that's tonight on news nine good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york and tonight, reality crashes into how donald trump views his life's work and the way that the world works. donald trump's lawyers are admitting that their client can't make bond at a self-professed billionaire is not liquid enough to cover a $500 million penalty, is probably surprising to a huge number of his voters but trump has long treated new york real estate, his empire like a game of monopoly. he's long acted like real money, real dollars are well, monopoly money in trump's world, he

lives on boardwalk and park place. he buys and buys, and buys and borrows and borrows more and hopes that the game goes on just long enough that he makes back some of that money but right now, letitia james is quite literally trying to collect to make trump pay what he owes for perpetrating a decades-long fraud on the state of new york when he can't james, he said that she will seize his assets, the buildings in manhattan and elsewhere that bear the trump name the former president is relying on a community chest of sorts. donor money rnc money, all kinds of money that's not his to pay off his legal bills in trump's game of monopoly. he's betting that he can keep playing, delaying accountability essentially until america deals him a chance card now, that chance, it's another shot at the white house. essentially a get out of jail free card. trump wants voters to let him change the rules. or trump like

the angry kid who's mad about losing to their cousins wants to simply flip the board off the table to make everything just go away probably so that he could play a different game. one, we're only he wins my new game is troubling the game. >> where you deal for everything you ever wanted to home. because it's not when you win or lose whether you >> but here's the point. that is what trump wants to convince voters that he's entitled to his own set of rules. and it makes sense to a degree trump has played and he's won by pretending for decades but the reality is, is that this isn't a game. trump can't cheat the law. he can't cheat the will of the american people who might very well decide that they don't want him back in the white house. and that they do want him to face the very real legal and financial peril that could ultimately cost him his

empire and his actual freedom joining me now is former donald trump adviser o'mara semantical newman. she was a contested on the first season of the apprentice. she's also the author of unhinged an insider's account of the trump white house. o'mara, thanks for joining us tonight. you've seen that. may abby, 30 underwriters have said no to donald trump when he went to them and ask for help to cover this half $1 billion bond for decades, banks have been willing to lend to trump for all kinds of reasons during all kinds of financial distress >> why not? now >> well, it's very simple. abbe. >> they don't trust him and >> they don't believe that he'll pay them back the other part of it is that donald trump has for so many years run a scheme and he's built his business on deceit and a house of cards. and as we can see, that house of cards is now going to collapse so one of

trump's attorneys, alina habba, she promised over and over again the trump would be able to cover >> everything even as recently as last month. listen does donald trump's have that kind of money sitting around >> i mean, he does. of course he has money he's a billionaire. we know that this guy is worth a lot of money, billions and billions of billions of dollars. he happens have a lot of cash >> of course he has the money. why would she lie like that so boldly seemingly without any sort of self-awareness well, the truth of the matter is, if donald trump had the money, he would not be asking for special favors from the judge. he wouldn't be asking that that $464 million be reduced to 100 million. he's asked to be treated differently than others who would be in this situation if your eye we couldn't go to the courts and say, look, we don't have the money for our

appeal. can you make some exceptions for us? but donald trump is expecting special treatment, special favors because he believes that he is above the law. but in this case, he's going to have to pay or he just will have his property sees and that is his or nightmare yeah. >> and it's also something that will follow him. i mean, he's going into this election. a lot of his supporters maybe other people to believe this myth essentially that he's fantastically wealthy, that he's an outsider, does this puncture that? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, from the first day of your practice the story that was told to the audience was that donald trump was so extraordinarily wealthy and what we've learned from the producers is that this was an image that they actually helped to build, that they helped promote. and so we know that he built this persona. he's been kind of marketing and using it. >> but then he turns >> around and ask average

americans to send him money to help him with his legal fees, to help him fight the joe biden hoax as he called it, or his spokesman called it the truth of the matter is that now the curtain is going to be pulled back and his supporters are going to see that what donald trump says about his wealth and about the money that he has he simply does not have it >> the former president, he has long demonize the prosecutors who go after him. does it bother him? you think that this is coming from letitia james a woman and a black woman that she's really been laser-focused on making sure that this case goes through and that she's been pretty clear. she'll take the buildings if she has to well, anytime that data is being held accountable for his bad behavior, he is going to be unhappy, >> but he is particularly angry about the fact that he is being held accountable, not just by a

woman, but by an african american woman. in this case, in georgia the case that he has against him in new york. i mean, all of these cases are by african who were strong enough, vote enough. and we're willing to put themselves out there to bring trump to justice. this is really probably taking him up and i think one of the things i want to point out to you is that donald trump is also very strategic about what he does. he knew over the weekend, probably as far back as last week that he could not get a surety company to extend his bond so what does he do? he creates a distraction by using insightful words, bloodbath calling immigrants animals. he knew what he was going to do and he knew that it would drive the news cycle he wanted to distract from the fact that he was rejected, not just wants not five times, not ten times, but by 30 different companies

who are not willing to do business with donald trump. and that sends a strong message to the people who are expecting him to be able to be responsible for the money of running this country and being fiscally responsible he's just not able to do that. >> well, one of the things about court documents is that you can't really hide them in cases like this. so the news will come out eventually, omer rosa mangold newman, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me, abby >> and also tonight, peter navarro is suddenly sharing a whole lot in common with the movie from the last decade i'm looking to join the crenshaw kings >> just want you to protect him is enhanced. >> teach me how to survive in prison. the way you did what i could pay you >> see you tomorrow can be if you haven't seen it, that's from the film. get hard wear. a white collar criminal goes to prison and hires a consultant to help prepare him to do time. >> it is

>> the exact same position that navarro is in right now after the supreme court said no to his emergency appeal, he was convicted for member of contempt of congress, navarro, like in the movie, he has hired a prison consultant of his own. and despite the minimum security setting that he is likely to go into, that consultant has told cnn tonight that the tough talking maga acolyte is actually nervous but look online and you'll see navarro play martyr >> men and women of america throughout our history have shed blood, lost their lives. for the defensive. this concrete defensive, what we stand for defense of our values defensively constitution. >> and for me, >> it's, it's, it's a much smaller sacrifice to be willing to go to prison, as i now have been ordered to do to defend

what is really one of the most important principles of the constitution >> 20 me now is eric singleton. he's a federal prison consultant. in 2022. he pleaded guilty to embezzlement and served eight months of a one year and a de sentence. eric. based on your experience, shouldn't be nervous he i think anyone going into this situation should be nervous, >> primarily, not for the fear of violence is the movie get hard implies, but mostly for the lack of control mr. navarro's lived a life where he's been able to control many things about his life. and once someone checks into a prison camp, things changed dramatically small things like

getting a pill for your bad maybe impossible, or it may take months things such as making sure you're getting the adequate prescriptions that you had been taking on the outside? >> bob, a very >> lengthy administrative process involving numerous calls. so even >> though the physical danger is not the risk for him, it is a whole new world of lacking control everyday, very simple activities. >> what about the culture inside of these prisons? i mean, this is basically a white collar prison, so it's not it's not some kind of maximum security facility, but what is he going to have to adjust to to fit in >> bright? that is another shock for a lot of white color criminals going in, many of them assume they're going to

be surrounded by a lot of other white-collar crime it's because camps are known for being placed for non-violent offenders. >> but >> typical white-collar criminal that makes up about maybe one fourth of the population in a camp. the vast majority of people there are on nonviolent drug offenses and a lot of them are young and so there can be a culture that's loud as boisterous a lot of craziness going on. and it can be very difficult for older bates to adjust to that particular prison hall. mr. navarro is going has a special wing, for older inmates. but even that can be difficult to get into it just because of the overcrowding that exist. >> so you've spent some time in a federal prison longer than navarro is likely to. how long did it take you to get used to it and do you think that he will even have that kind of

time? >> i think there are stages for every person. it's very common for people to think they've adjusted after their first weekend. and then something happens and pulls them out of their rhythm. and then they have a hard time adjusting from that and i talked to people who had been in for seven years and still had those moments of just crashing down simple things like getting your points added up correctly to try and get to an early release when that gets pulled away from someone for no reason the very nature of the federal prison experience, i think makes it. so people don't really get used to being there ever especially for the type of time that mr. navarro is going to be there. i don't phil adjust at all. >> is there is there actually a

risk of violence for him you think in the setting >> there's always a risk it to some degree it's like asking if somebody walking down the street is at risk of violence. >> you >> could anger a stranger, you could start something and there could be violence camps by their nature generally house people who want to go home and so they try and handle things without violence. but that being said as simple search of the news and you'll see that there's constantly violence in these settings. there's a lot of small things that go on that never get reported. i knew someone where i was ok. go ahead yeah. no. i'm just responding to what you're saying. i mean, it sounds like an incredibly unpredictable environment which is part of the reason why you've. got a

lot of probably a lot of consulting clients for this particular type of work eric singleton. thank you very much for giving us all of that. i appreciate it. >> hey, thank you >> next after his blood bath remarks, trump tonight is doubling down on the inflammatory rhetoric. he says the jews who support democrats hate israel and their religion. i'll discuss with a rabbi plus an arizona lawmaker gives an emotional speech on the floor revealing that she plans to get an abortion in a state that bands them after 15 weeks. she will join me live. this is news nine cnn news night with abby phillip. he's brought to you by. so tick, tick to find out you've so tick two is the treatment you've been looking for. >> smile. you found it, the feeling of bindings darius's can't filter out the real you

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it's usually not one thing two series of events is that part of the wing comes apart space shuttle columbia, he final flight from your sunday, april 7 at nine on cnn another de another inflammatory trump comment. this time, the former president is, once again actually attacking jews who vote for democrats. listen why do the democrats hate bibi netanyahu? i >> actually think they hid israel. yes, i don't think they hate. i think it israel and the democratic party hates israel as a jewish person that votes for democrats hage their religion, they hate everything about israel, and they should be ashamed of themselves because israel will be destroyed >> the biden campaign responding to trump's comments saying in part, quote, the only person who should be ashamed here is donald trump. donald trump openly demeans jewish

americans and reportedly thinks off hitler did some good things for more. i want to bring in rabbi and forward columnist jay michaelson, j >> you can't be >> surprised that trump would repeat this, but why do you think he's doing it? >> i feel like he's totally gone off the rails in a certain way and he just gets cheers for doing that. i mean, hanging around with sub gorka itself would be news in a normal situation given his record and a palling around with anti-semites. but this was truly a disgusting comment. i mean, it was, it was appalling 70% of american jews generally vote for the democratic party at democratic party, give or take a few percentage points. so we're talking over two-thirds of american jews that trump says hate judaism as a rabbi, who sometimes so it's democratic. i do not hate judaism and this kind of smear against an entire community coming at a time when jews have a lot of reason in this country to feel insecure now, we're going to be attacked by the presumptive nominee of a major party and saying that we're self hating is absolutely despicable.

>> he also believed, based on the abraham accords and things that he did when he was president, that jews owe it to him to support him. >> yeah, like a true mafia boss or something like we have to have loyalty because he moved the embassy to jerusalem. meanwhile, he helped caudal the hard, hard right extremists who have made peace and possible in israel, trump also, let's remember, blamed israel for the october 7 attacks he didn't come out with the statements saying how appalling and horrific massacres at rapes were that hamas committed on that day. he said, oh well, israel made a mistake and he insulted the israeli general. and he said this would never happen under my watch. it's always about him and to see this kind of intense narcissism come at the expense of friends of mine who have children's serving in the israeli military, who had friends who died on october 7. it's just i cannot think of a more despicable and disgusting act. i can't believe that anyone with a conscience could support this man. >> it's not a new thing for the issue of israel to be

intensely political. but when you have trumped to your point, making these kinds of comments and this kind of environment what, what's going on in your community? you're a rabbi. what are you hearing from your friends? from just people who are kind of looking at this situation and wondering, when is it going to, when are things going to calm down? yeah. >> i mean, look, anti-semitism is way up in the united states. there are many jews with lots of different opinions. there's some people who bitterly opposed the way that this war is being conducted, who are calling for a ceasefire bilateral ceasefire. and there are many people who support this action and are still very understandably traumatized by october 7. there's a real breadth of opinion within the jewish community, and i've friends who are more conservative than i would never in 1 million years insinuate that to vote republican is in some way a betrayal of jewish values. that's exactly the kind of baseless atria that we think he's trying to distract. like o'mara said earlier, she said he does this. he says this staff to distract from other news. >> i mean,

>> it's always once he's constantly float like a butterfly sting like could be like that's the strategy, just like keep firing and all different ways as you keep us off balance. but there still has to be some line. there's some argument like should we even cover idiotic comments like this in the media? but i feel like this does cross so many lines of decency to insult people who are already feeling profoundly insecure and who are already really bitterly divided within the community because there are people with all this whole range of opinions and to take this moment after already, not not really saying anything positive about october 7, meaning consoling about october 7 to bake this moment, to insult the jewish community, to score political points. it's absolutely, it's beneath even donald trump. >> i'm jay michaelson. thank you so much for joining us always. can count on you for a thoughtful discussion on issues like this. appreciate it. thank you >> an arizona state senators emotional speech to her state from the floor of the state senate explaining that she play hands to get an abortion. she'll join me live to explain her decision. plus, he was a

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ultrasounds and blood draws. we have determined that my pregnancy is once again not progressing and is not viable once again, i have scheduled an appointment to terminate my pregnancy. i don't think people should have to justify their abortions, but i'm choosing to talk about why i made this decision. because i want us to be able to have meaningful conversations about the reality of how the work that we do in this body impacts people in the real-world. >> state senator eva birch joins me now. a state senator. thank you very much for joining us you talk there about going public. you can hear the emotion in your voice what got you to the point where you wanted to tell the whole world what you had been dealing with very privately >> thank you so much for having me. i really appreciate this opportunity. and it's true that

this is a really sensitive time for me and for my family but honestly, i think that the decision to talk about it publicly in the middle of this time that is so sensitive is what makes it important and meaningful because it's so relevant to what's happening across the country. yes. but in arizona specifically, and i think that when people are able to come forward and tell their stories and share what they're experiencing. that it really humanizes it for people and brings it to the forefront in a more meaningful way. and i think that it helps people to understand and to bring people to the table who may be normally don't want to have those types of difficult conversations. and i just want to be able to participate in that work and in that conversation of bringing people to the table to talk about the work that we do in a legislature, how it impacts the people of arizona, and what we can and should be doing differently just so that everybody at home understands in arizona where you are,

abortion is banned after 15 weeks. are you still able to get an abortion in your state? >> yes, i am within that time frame right now. as a nurse practitioner in my work in reproductive health care, i have certainly had patients who were passed 15 weeks who i believe and they believe that abortion was the right decision for them. so these restrictions are potentially dangerous for patients and it's very difficult for people to be able to navigate these difficult decisions and to really weigh the risks and the benefits and what they're willing to do and acceptance to be able to have these conversations with their family. and it's difficult enough without having to grapple with this restrictive legislation that we have in arizona. but for me, i'm in a position where i'm still able to go and have my procedure here in arizona. yeah. you talk about

>> the fact that when you made these comments earlier, you you're still pregnant. you went to an abortion clinic. >> what >> was that experience? like? arizona has a lot of rules and regulations even for people who are within that 15 week window >> yes. and i think that i have a little bit of privilege in that i i knew what to expect. i've been through this before. this is not the first time i've had a pregnancy that failed and as a medical provider, i know what i'm up against. and as a legislator, i know what i'm facing and what i'm about to hear. i think the more important story really is for patients who are coming in for the first time who are not expecting the situation that they're about to walk into. but it's very difficult. it's difficult to have a medical provider tell me that i can consider abortion. it can consider a doc shin. i can consider parenting when those are not realistic options for me, i have no option to parents

i have no option for adoption. this is not a viable pregnancy, but they are required to stay things that are absolutely false to patients who walk through the door and it's really unconscionable and we can ensure but do better. >> and having had that experience, how soon are you going to be able to have the abortion >> i'm going to have the procedure soon just for my own safety and the safety of my family. we're not disclosing the exact time, but but the abortion procedure is coming soon. >> i m deliberately trying to move forward with this so that i can move forward with my life. you know, we tried for a very long time to have a baby and we have decided that we are not going to try to do that anymore. and i'm really just ready for what's next? >> well, i'm honestly i'm sorry. it's awful to hear that you have to do this essentially in secrecy for your own safety.

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>> orbit, who helped engineer the former president's rise in 2016. he might be getting a sequel after taking a hiatus in prison. allow us to reintroduce paul manafort. he is the former trump campaign manager you see him there side-by-side with trump? and he's reportedly now under consideration to put on trump's convention that's an important role. major conventions aren't cheap and trump needs the money. and trump also likes a well produced show. he also may play a role in fundraising for the campaign manafort is familiar with finance or at least financial crimes. he went to jail for a tax fraud hiding foreign bank accounts and committing bank fraud trump later pardoned him manafort was convicted by the molar teeny, the first special counsel to investigate donald trump in his orbit the question is, how did manafort spend that money? well, on blade, lots and lots of bling, bling like this, this $15,000 ostrich code? yes. coates apparently can be made

out of australia and costs $15,000 he also owned an $18,000 python python codes? yes. that all told prosecutors said he spent $1 million on clothes like this suit not to mention the seven houses, the four cars, the million dollars on oriental rugs manafort has long passed with republicans working with reagan and bob dole. he also has a long past with the russians and doing things like sharing polling was people closely connected to putin's intelligence services? joining me now is cnn contributor and host of the podcasts on and pivot with kara switcher. kara switcher herself, she's also the author of burn book, qarrah paul manafort. he spent his chance 23 months in prison. he didn't have to do the seven years that he was sentenced to. but now we already might have a huge job. i mean, this is really

unprecedented for trump to basically take a convicted felon and say, come on in well is it unprecedented? i don't know. he's bringing back his greatest hits. trump always does things like this. they'll do what he wants, will bring back people that were on the outs like steve, dan, and it'll throw them out again. i'll bring them back. and this guy obviously had a big role in raising money. and that's what trump needs right now, as you know, he's got that's the money troubles. so including in the campaign, not just personally. so he's going to have to find ways to raise money in this guy is essentially a classic washington influence peddler that's what he's looking. mobley. >> he knows how to raise money and apparently spent quite a lot of money as well. >> yeah. who among us has not wanted a python python code looks who among things so kara you're back on your favorite topic, elon musk. he alleged he acknowledged that he had an unplanned meeting with trump just within the last couple of weeks and palm beach.

>> but he >> also said that he is leaning away from trump on his platform x, he posted this. there is either a red wave, this november or america is doomed. imagined four more years of this getting worst doomed to run red wavy. honestly, that a lot of this sounds like trump's rhetoric, but he also sounds like somebody who's trying to find his way into getting involved in this campaign? >> that's correct. i mean, he's leaning away from biden is what you're saying and he's been leaning away from biden forever in the past. he supported obama. he had told me once he supported hillary clinton, but he's, he's leading far away from obama he's trying to use the rhetoric trump has been using bloodbath, red wave. he knows what they all know, what they're doing when they make these use these words. and so he's trying to find a way saying maybe all endorsed, maybe i won't maybe they'll give money, maybe i won't and when when an action and tweets, he's sort of doing the whole trump playbook. i wouldn't the gop play book, i guess is the

trump playbook. but he's not doing the conservative one. certainly not doing that. he's doing he's mimicking just like you did with ron desantis we said was a winner and then the ramaswamy, he was a winner, not so much a winner. that's what he's doing. he's trying to ingratiate himself in some fashion or showy as simple i guess. i don't know. no. he says he does say that trump didn't ask him for money either. financial assistance with legal bills or i guess the campaign. but just today, trump says, it's practically impossible for him to post this here huge bond, almost half $1 billion do you do you feel like elon musk is going to get pressed to get in there one way or another. >> well, it would be good for elon musk. that's certainly true because he'll just have some more trouble in the biden administration if there's a second biden administration around a bunch of things and so trump would be a savior for him in that regard because he would lay off of him and let him

continue to do what he's been doing. >> it ever put on the line? for something like his bond? >> i don't know because he's not a particularly i'd never seen him really give a lot of money or i haven't heard about it. he's not that been that involved. he does side things and i think twitter is his version. russian of this. he overpaid for it by quite a lot of money, by about $30 at this point or more. and so that's the way he's doing the influencing. >> their, there are other people with money. taylor swift has a lot of money i guess >> she certainly that she certainly a lot of people have money, so he needs to find it. and i'm not so sure. >> yeah, i'm would do this. it seems it seems pretty obvious, but who knows it? >> cara, on the campaign trail as well. but this has to do with rfk junior. he said his possible running mate or reporting is it's this woman named nicole shanahan. she's the financial backer of this 5 million super bowl ad that he had. she's a tech attorney. she was married to a google co-founder lots of folks in silicon valley palling around

with rfk junior. what do you make of this? they are well, she's i was so surprised. i mean, the money is coming from sergei from her divorce from sergei, presumably, she doesn't she didn't have means before the sum, so i call it the bank of surrogate, but i don't know. it's very attracted to some of these messages and she's talked about, she's a child with autism and she she know it's of interest to her she's she's she's it appeals his his his shou should doubt the government and you should doubt this appeals to a lot of silicon valley people like just asking questions. they've got a sort of, i would say the bent, but i call it libertarian light and so suspect the government. it's a strain of silicon valley that's been around for awhile. now it's taken on a more toxic taste for from my perspective. but she's not uncommon in the thinking she has. she's completely unqualified, but that's that's another story. together. >> that is another story. indeed, keras fisher. thank you

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tonight. >> oprah is hoping to spark a national conversation about a deeply personal topic. the mogul making her return to prime time t.v. with a special about prescription weight loss drugs. winfrey, who parted ways with weightwatchers last month has gone public about using these medications obesity is a complex disease. >> they are the new drugs sparking the weight loss revolution. >> all of a sudden i felt like i was free but there's confusion and controversy are the medications safe should children take them? >> he would be 500 pounds. 16. >> so i'm having a conversation with lead experts to answer our questions. >> these medications are really a game changer. >> let's stop the shaming and blaming joining me now is former ebony editor in chief here in a also with us, nyu's dr. alexandra. so as she's a

specialist in preventative health nutrition and obesity medicine. great to have you both here are karina. this is obviously something over cares a lot about. otherwise, she would not have shown up on our tvs alla, the oprah winfrey show from back in the day that we remember, we'd lost, has been a big part of her story losing the weight, gaining the weight. she talked about her experience but not saying all the details. she didn't say which medication she takes. you didn't say how she ended up on them. what do you make of her straddling that line of revealing but keeping some things i think over is so good at being oprah i mean, for one, this episode was like, like you said, it was a flashback to the oprah winfrey show and she knows how to walk that journalistic line. so she can evoke emotion. and at the same time restrain some of her personal revelation. so interesting because i feel like she did this from a personal core, but at the same time, she was very controlled and how she

contain some of what her personal truth is in specific, she allows that to be a universal. >> it is interesting too, because i was curious about the debate with these medications is our people being prescribed for quote, unquote vanity, although i don't like saying that. or are they being prescribed because of the fda indication for some of them which is diabetes. she talks about obesity as a disease, not as a character flaw. you're very familiar with that. how important is that for you as someone who? in treats a lot of patients with this it's amazing. i loved the approach you took. she really made an effort to destigmatize these medications and taking well-powered out of the conversation. she said that over and over again in this special and as an obesity medicine, dr. i've been using these medications approved for obesity in this class, these glp-1 medications for ten years. but it's just recently

that people are talking about it. and the fact that oprah, the person that we associate with weight struggles is coming forth and seeing there is a sea change. there is a revolution with these medications and i don't want you to take on the shame anymore. i've carrying excess weight. it's huge and obesity is a disease in some ways, it sounds like the providers you and some of the other doctors that she spoke to are in that place, but there's still a debate about who really should be prescribed these medications. i mean, she says she uses it as a tool with exercise and lifestyle changes feels though like the health care systems still treats it as a cheat card or so. >> i think it's complicated and i think it does depend on who you see, right? and i think that there are a whole host of doctors who are learning about the fact that this is a disease. and we should treat it just like hypertension or hypothyroidism depression. and that we do need to combine it with other lifestyle factors.

the truth i have a toolkit and medications are one of the things in my toolkit. and just as oprah was saying, and we still need to you know, change the way we eat and exercise and she didn't minimize that. and i think that's probably why she has been so successful because just doing it all these years. so it's just one part of the puzzle. yeah, there's something about it's not like this is the first time ober's talked about, not right. she's run the gamut she just turned 70 this year. obviously, one of the most famous black women, women period in the entire world what does this do for how people talk about weight loss, but also women of a certain age. i feel like you don't get this conversation a lot with people who are inner '70s, oprah is always at the forefront of new ways of thinking about big ideas that touches all. an ageism. as a black woman, like the things

that we surmount, that we have to sum out because they're kind of throat thrust on us by society. the judgments, the stereotypes, the misunderstanding, the ways in which people look at body particularly black female bodies, but also older bodies women's bodies. it speaks for you in ways that we don't often mean for two. so for her to be so pardon the pun, but embodied right now at this time in her life and to be so public. as you were saying. but also, again, in my opinion, able to center itself without centering herself. she's still inviting us all to the conversation and they there about a lot of different things. one of the people were as part of the conversation was weightwatchers, ceo sima a sistani, and she talked about weightwatchers now helping their members get access to these medication. she basically

said to her members, it's not your fault. we didn't realize the biology component of this but is there a future for weightwatchers in a world in which these glp-1 drugs exist and are widely utilized >> absolutely. because it's not a magic wand. it can't just work in isolation. and when you go on these medications, it's not as simple as just getting a prescription. it really does need to be a multi-disciplinary approach. but how many peoples, doctors offices have nutritionist the trainer can teach you about food who have the knowledge about food. and so we can still embrace the behavioral element changes that weightwatchers or other programs provide and support the journey of people on these medications >> and notably, i mean, she talks about leaving that weightwatchers board, which was like an earthquake. but she did it because she wanted to do this from a more journalistic

perspective. yeah it was it's an important move. i think there's no doubt that they would have been a great deal of criticism because people are still learning and that's what i was with the dr. backstage and i'm just saying there's so much that we still don't know as a public right? and oprah creating a window for us to the kind of educate ourselves about the pieces, because this can't be a one-stop shop like anything in health, when we think about how we live, our best lives to quote oprah, it's a mind, body, soul thing. we've got to connect all the parts. and i think this is a great opportunity to do that. >> karen or mayo, dr. alexandra, so thank you very much for joining us tonight before we go tonight on this day in history and 1995 that's all we have time for today. thank you so much for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now